Title: The varying shore o' th' world 2/? Rating: PG Pairing: Horatio/Apollo Summary: The dynamic duo set sail. Written in collaboration with calavarna and to be found in her journal here Notes: Hornblower and BSG are most definitely not ours.
Along with lectures, my daily consumption of your amazing writing has resumed. I have to say that I really, really enjoyed how much we are in both their heads in this episode. Both of them thinking about their feelings and what will happen and what it all means. Really adds a lot to the story. I remember hearing about writing: show, don’t tell and that’s really what this does. And the whole chapter, especially the first half was so well written (as usual I know). You must tire of the endless stream of accolades but it was so good – each word was exactly was exactly where it should be and expressed so much about their characters. It reminded me of an article I read a few years ago – the first time I really found beauty in well written prose – and I was struck by how well wrought every last bit of it was. I came away from this instalment with precisely the same feeling.
And I agonized (well as much as one can ‘agonize’ over anything in 20 minutes) over whether to post this here or where it was posted and realised that, being short on time, it wouldn’t be very nice to impose my stream of consciousness type comments on an innocent bystander without some introduction or explanation and I don’t have the time today. Sorry!
But thank you for this – so well crafted and simply a joy to read. I love lee so much and all the others too. This is terrible, Jack is rubbing off on me. *disciplines self for becoming a tart* I don’t want to be that way. I must think of archie’s example – good, loyal, strong, honest, and constant.
He was a good actor, if nothing else. Unlike some people …
It took less then ten minutes for Adama to return, triumphantly thrusting a small silver object into Horatio’s hand and grinning smugly. “It’s called a lighter.” Awww. I can imagine lee!jamie muddling through it all and coming up wit this.
“See? Instant fire. That good enough for you?” His father had pressed the lighter into his hand moments before he had left Galactica for the last time. And his expressions! I love the mix of modern day parlance and the speech of the time. Adds loads to their characters
When he had hared off, weaving elegant patterns with his lithe frame among the good folk of Portsmouth, it had been to his previous lodgings; to pay the landlady - not just for the night's stay he had missed but for the fine breakfast she had provided that morning. What a lovely image to imagine. It reminds me vaguely of something in pc when pullings was so happy and maturing watched him run off to something. Though Jamie!lee has such a lovely visage.
Adama's handsome face paled. "My father. Before I set off from Galactica in my Raptor. It was to be my good luck charm; perhaps that's why I survived when the rest didn't. I have no idea whether my old man had the same fortune as me." Awww. Maybe this is another way they can bond both of them having more difficult family relationships though it might make them more tempestuous at times too.
I remember hearing about writing: show, don’t tell and that’s really what this does That's so true. That's why i like O'Brian because he uses so many subtle ways to tell you things. And thanks for all the compliments on the writing - and on Calavarna's behalf, too - I think this episode worked particularly well.
This is terrible, Jack is rubbing off on me. *disciplines self for becoming a tart* You can admire all the seets on the menu as long as you only order one from the waiter!
What a lovely image to imagine. It reminds me vaguely of something in pc when pullings was so happy I'm sure I had that at the back of my mind. It was a nice image - i could see it so clearly.
though it might make them more tempestuous at times too. Very perceptive, missy. That's on the horizon.
That's why i like O'Brian because he uses so many subtle ways to tell you things. Absolutely. I find very few writers are able to capture this effectively. So well done the two of you for achieving this!
You can admire all the seets on the menu as long as you only order one from the waiter! I like that. I'll use that in future. ;D
Very perceptive, missy. That's on the horizon. So many delectible stories to choose from, eh? I do like these two a lot (not as much as archie and horatio but lee has something about him and no, not just his gorgeous visage).
And I hope you got that I meant all the sWeets on the menu! Oh yes, thank you! ANd that is a prerogative i do and will continue to exercise in my daily life. when i went for dessert with a friend about a week ago we spent aaaaaaaaaaaaages gazing at all the confections on offer ... so hard to decide ...
But deciding among the lovely guys is very hard too, though i suppose my first choice is still the kind, not as infatuated with horatio version of archie if he's still on offer though i'd rather have the archieinlovewithhoratio as a friend than the archienotaskeenonhoratio if i could only choose one i guess ...
JB2 or JW. After Saturday, depending on performance, Mr W might edge ahead... Now I've no quarrel with JW but this wouldn't affect your writing too much would it?!! just kidding. ;P And i'll hope the JW does very well on saturday ... am looking forward to hearing your review!!!
Don't worry about stream of consciousness comments on my journal - you should see some of the things I come out with! Besides, you mentioned Jack and Archie in almost the same sentence and I'd forgive anything for that :P
both of them having more difficult family relationships though it might make them more tempestuous at times too. This never occurred to me, but I think you're right. Their relationship was always going to be tempestuous but their mutual lack of a happy familial relationship could contribute to unseen scars surfacing. They're just a bit too similar in a way. (Good grief, I just finished school and am *still* analysing things to death...)
Don't worry about stream of consciousness comments on my journal - you should see some of the things I come out with! Awww. you're kind. I'm glad. I do try to be more organised and concise but then there's all that about the road to hell paved with good intentions ...
Besides, you mentioned Jack and Archie in almost the same sentence and I'd forgive anything for that :P the two of them do form either ends of a continuum of loveliness, eh? I do like jack but i must admit recently, reading more of archie, i've really fallen for him again. But jack can sing ... and he does have a great smile ... *weighs* the jury's still out on that one.
They're just a bit too similar in a way. (Good grief, I just finished school and am *still* analysing things to death...) Oh that's really interesting. I don't know much about adama - i was looking at his homesickness and separation and concern he may not get back to his own time. But i vaguely something about his not having a good relationship with his dad. I don't know what to think about aos!horatio's family - they're just not there ... his mom died when he was so young and then dad just seemed to disappear. Not necessarily a nefarious guy just absent, which perhaps made him long for family. I remember soemthing in lt h about his 'joy in knowing there was a human being who cared he was alive or dead' and so assumed he just didn't have any other family ... but maybe that does explain why he's so good with his kids (in the books) when he comes along b/c it's his way of making up for his family ... you know the guy is great fodder for a pyschological study since csf casts us into his mind so much. have to make use of it. *must think more on that* But yeah, i look forward to seeing the tempestuous-ness (yeah, that's a word ...).
Lee looked away, swallowing the bile that threatened to rise in his throat, well aware that his regret was plainly writ on his face. “I don’t think I’ll ever get back.” Oh poor lee. And Jamie would do this so well. I think this ought to filmed some day too.
Horatio reached a hand out and then aborted the movement, hesitant to offer comfort lest it be rejected. That’s good old horry. His characterization was very, gentle in all this. I know that sounds odd applied to him but in this context he seemed half-way between brides!horry and other!aos!horry.
“Don’t Horatio. You’ll burn yourself.” Adama saw the curiosity in Hornblower’s eyes and moved to retrieve the lighter before any damage was done. Awww. Lee is so sweet being kind and parental. It’s interesting, he’s this big tough man, world-weary and knowledgeable about so many things (is he older than hh in this?) and so tries to be protective and gentle, softening so many things for this hh: trying to find ways to prove he wasn’t lying and that he is worthy of trust, and trying to lead/protect in a world where really he’s the one who needs the protection, etc, etc. It’s beautifully done. And it’s very endearing.
almost daring him to intervene, before flicking the lighter into flame. A stifled gasp of pain escaped his lips as he dropped the lighter to the floor and clutched at his wounded hand. Stubborn (but grieving so he deserves some latitude).
and if nothing else his actions may have been a balm for the pain embedded in Horatio’s soul. He had made his feelings known, but whether reciprocation or rejection lay in Hornblower’s next words he couldn’t tell. Just a beautifully crafted phrase. Had to comment. I had highlighted most of the story (thank goodness for the highlighting function) and realised you’d tire of: oh that’s so perfect. Beautifully written, etc, etc.
Archie always used to say it was the detail that was convincing in a story - anyone could make up a tale about flying among the clouds, but they would struggle to maintain the particulars of an alien world. Tell me the ordinary things. archie always used to say. Aww.
In the end it was one seemingly simple detail that had finally convinced Hornblower - the fact that women served shoulder to shoulder with men, wore the same uniforms, flew the same machines … would have been so outlandish as to turn the normal practice of society upside down. As far as he was concerned this had to be the truth. This tells us so much about hh’s character. I love how it was done and so completely the character as well.
I think this ought to filmed some day too. When you're a fmaous lawyer, shopping at Waitrose every day, rolling in it - you can bankroll the production.
His characterization was very, gentle in all this I think we felt sorry for him - no ship, no Archie, etc. *sobs*<
i>trying to find ways to prove he wasn’t lying and that he is worthy of trust, and trying to lead/protect in a world where really he’s the one who needs the protection, etc, etc. It’s beautifully done. And it’s very endearing. Thank you. That's an interesting interpreation - yes, Lee is quite protective. Perhaps it's partly becuase he's such a contrast to Archoe who was always the one who was being looked after?
Just a beautifully crafted phrase. Had to comment. Think that's one of Calavarna's. but really can't always tell who wrote what!
archie always used to say. Aww Indeed. *hugs them all*
When you're a lawyer, shopping at Waitrose every day, rolling in it - you can bankroll the production. awwww. No guarantee on the fame bit but if i ever get to that status (not really exalted is it? *giggle*) absolutely. it's a deal.
Re lawyers generally, i was vegging watching the evening news and they interviewed this young boy who lost everything except his family in hurricane katrina and he's 8 and still has nightmares about it and so on but is slowly healing. And they asked him what he 'wants to be when he grows up' and he said: a famous lawyer with money b/c then my mom and sister will never have to suffer like this again. And I thought it was so strange b/c who would think of the law at that sort of age like: be a famous lawyer and this can protect my family, rather than the normal sorts of things people like to be like an astronaut or a firefighter or policeman or doctor or something like that. BUt then i realised, i suppose for some people, they think of lawyers as people who can can vindicate rights and protect others and in a very circuitous way, it confirmed to me that it might not be such a bad profession after all (even with the bar and all that).
I think we felt sorry for him - no ship, no Archie, etc. *sobs* I know. Poor guy. I really do feel for him ...
Lee is quite protective. Perhaps it's partly becuase he's such a contrast to Archoe who was always the one who was being looked after? Oh i didn't think of that. that's a very good point. In all his manifestations, it's always hh who does the 'looking after' and is mother hen-ing tho if horatio was ill or something, i'll bet archie would be equally concerned and protective though it might manifest completely differently. that would be interesting to see ...
The story about the little boy was so affecting - I hope he makes it and is magnificent at his trade. There are good honest lawyers, I'm sure and you will be another of them. I have faith in you.
As for Archie looking after Horry - I suspect the latter would hate it, even flat on his back. I suppose I've explored it a bit in Bride's, but not in AOS so much.
I hope he makes it and is magnificent at his trade. I do too - it might be one of the few rays of hope to emerge out of all this.
I have faith in you. Thank you so much. I'll do my best to live up to your expectations.
I suspect the latter would hate it, even flat on his back. I suppose I've explored it a bit in Bride's, but not in AOS so much. *nodding* I suppose he wouldn't want to be a burden to anyone though i expect in 1921 he behaved himself for hyacinth. She's in a class by herself and would have had no hesitation telling him to behave and stop trying to walk around reopen his wounds. Such a great character.
is he older than hh in this? I think he's supposed to be in his early thirties in the show. And Horry is, what, 27 in Loyalty/Duty? So a bit older, infinitely more world weary and suffering from the genocide he has witnessed.
Stubborn (but grieving so he deserves some latitude) I think I just wanted to inflict pain on H at that moment *hangs head*
I think he's supposed to be in his early thirties in the show. And Horry is, what, 27 in Loyalty/Duty? So a bit older, infinitely more world weary and suffering from the genocide he has witnessed. how was loyalty/duty? haven't had a chance to see those (and wasn't sure it would be worth it without archie) and what genocide is this? Did something really bad happen in france or something?!! I think i missed that ...
Adama tried hard not to grin. He had become used to what seemed to him the ridiculously stiff necked nature of some of the people he had met in these Isles, but Horatio had to win the prize for pomposity. *giggle* another perfectly wrought phrase. I have no restraint. It’s so true as well. *Awards hh prize*
Horatio cleared his throat loudly Shades of book!horry. I remember his ‘ha-h’ming’ over and over again
A sudden, uncharacteristic flash of resentment flared in Lee’s eyes at the mention of mutiny and told Horatio far more than he needed to know. This was no ordinary officer; whether he had been a party in sedition himself or had been subjected to it Hornblower couldn’t deduce, but distress was evident along every sharp plane of Adama’s face. And this tells us so much about lee; the depth of character and torment. Though it’s mean to JAMIE I do like when his characters have these hidden depths of conscience or contemplation. It adds so much.
He was gratified to find that Adama had picked up an awful lot of words on the vessel that had rescued him - including the names of the primary sails and ropes - and understood the general principles involved in a ship making its way by wind power alone. He’d be a good student – clever guy just like the real JB.
Besides you wanted to pretend I was him. Maybe one more night with him, even just sleeping, is what you need." I hope that hh will one day REALLY love him for him, not because he looks like ak, you know?
They had truly broken the mould when they made Archie Kennedy. Indeed, in all his incarnations.
Horatio lay awake for a time, his thoughts racing, his hands clenched together. Again, perfect characterization. He does this often (well when not with his true love AK)
Lee rolled his eyes, a blush colouring his cheeks. “They’ll have forgotten everything by the morning.” Oh I like this about lee. It makes him most endearing, a little shy and then: “And you, Horatio, were you impressed?” Lee curved his lips into a teasing smile. He’s back to his playful self. Such a great character.
He was surprised that Hornblower could have spent almost ten years fighting at sea yet still suffered from sea sickness. At least his Viper training had given him a strong stomach; he felt perfectly fine, and had been from the moment he’d set foot on the ship. Fortunate man. And yeah, I do wonder how they dealt with it in reality b/c I have the impression people don’t know if they’ll suffer or not until actually on a boat, like altitude sickness.
He was far from fine, Adama could tell by simply looking at him, and he was worried, but he would allow Horatio to maintain his pride. Oh how sweet, now lee is worrying about him. What a pair
He could find no words, nor actions, with which he could properly express his gratitude for having been accepted by Hornblower. One day he would repay that debt. Oh I love lee. He’s so amazing in this. And thank you so much for this!!! So good so good. Words aren’t adequate and never could be.
Shades of book!horry. I remember his ‘ha-h’ming’ over and over again Indeed - Calavarna knows her book!Horry well.
Though it’s mean to JAMIE I do like when his characters have these hidden depths of conscience or contemplation. It adds so much And doesn't it illustrate what an excellent actor he is?
I hope that hh will one day REALLY love him for him, not because he looks like ak, you know? Hm. But do we really think he could love anyone the way he loved his AK?
And yeah, I do wonder how they dealt with it in reality b/c I have the impression people don’t know if they’ll suffer or not until actually on a boat, like altitude sickness Indeed - I think he was fortunate. I wonder if the low centre of gravity helps any?
Thanks for all the lovely comments - you are such a star. C says she will reply tomorrow.
And doesn't it illustrate what an excellent actor he is? Mmm. very fair point. I want him to be in something with jb2 now. *has a tantrum* alright, i wouldn't really have a tantrum but it would be soooooooooooo cool. Jamie must finish that silly BSG and come back to england.
Hm. But do we really think he could love anyone the way he loved his AK? well that is a fair point. But archie's gone. i'm torn. In the brides!universe, i know i would have been disappointed, very disappointed in horatio if he had gone to someone else after archie but here i don't mind that he's with lee, which is completely illogical. I'll have to think about that more ... b/c what's good for the goose should be good for the gander (or is it sauce? i can never remember that one).
Thanks for all the lovely comments - you are such a star. *hangs head in shame* but i was so terrible and slow in getting back to you. but you were a nice friend anyway.
I want him to be in something with jb2 now. *has a tantrum*
But what? JB2 hasn't the nose for Holmes so they can't be H and Watson. JB1 could be Hamlet with JB2 as Horatio (like that idea). Ooooooh! They could be the chaps in Importance of Being Earnest. But none of these provide snogging chances. I guess they're a bit long in the tooth to re-do Rope.
JB2 hasn't the nose for Holmes so they can't be H and Watson. But with all the somewhat random combinations of holmes and watson, they wouldn't be so far off the mark but yeah ...
JB1 could be Hamlet with JB2 as Horatio (like that idea). Ooooooh! I really like the idea of that. OH THAT WOULD BE SO GREAT b/c it's dear jamie's dream to do hamlet and with JB2 as his horatio. B/c then he'd have that sweet line: goodnight, sweet prince and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. Oh that would be magnificent.
They could be the chaps in Importance of Being Earnest. Ohhhh. That might be really fun. Can JB1 sing? Rj was in a musical version of it in LA (he played jack i think, yeah, i think jack) and it's written for a lovely tenor voice!!!!
But none of these provide snogging chances. I guess they're a bit long in the tooth to re-do Rope. Mmm. fair point. Is this the same Rope as the hitchcock rope? and was there snogging in that? *clearly missed that part*
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Is this the same Rope as the hitchcock rope? and was there snogging in that? *clearly missed that part
It is - it's the play that Scott went to see when he first saw John. It was a rather 'raunchy' production. You can find reviews for it by following the links from the JB2 website.
Though it’s mean to JAMIE I do like when his characters have these hidden depths of conscience or contemplation And he does it so well - he's probably done it often enough that it is second nature to him now.
He’s back to his playful self. Such a great character. Happy!Lee is just lovely. It's Jamie's smile that does it...
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varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-01-29 08:34 pm (UTC)And I agonized (well as much as one can ‘agonize’ over anything in 20 minutes) over whether to post this here or where it was posted and realised that, being short on time, it wouldn’t be very nice to impose my stream of consciousness type comments on an innocent bystander without some introduction or explanation and I don’t have the time today. Sorry!
But thank you for this – so well crafted and simply a joy to read. I love lee so much
and all the others too. This is terrible, Jack is rubbing off on me. *disciplines self for becoming a tart* I don’t want to be that way. I must think of archie’s example – good, loyal, strong, honest, and constant.He was a good actor, if nothing else.
Unlike some people …
It took less then ten minutes for Adama to return, triumphantly thrusting a small silver object into Horatio’s hand and grinning smugly. “It’s called a lighter.”
Awww. I can imagine lee!jamie muddling through it all and coming up wit this.
“See? Instant fire. That good enough for you?” His father had pressed the lighter into his hand moments before he had left Galactica for the last time.
And his expressions! I love the mix of modern day parlance and the speech of the time. Adds loads to their characters
When he had hared off, weaving elegant patterns with his lithe frame among the good folk of Portsmouth, it had been to his previous lodgings; to pay the landlady - not just for the night's stay he had missed but for the fine breakfast she had provided that morning.
What a lovely image to imagine. It reminds me vaguely of something in pc when pullings was so happy and maturing watched him run off to something. Though Jamie!lee has such a lovely visage.
Adama's handsome face paled. "My father. Before I set off from Galactica in my Raptor. It was to be my good luck charm; perhaps that's why I survived when the rest didn't. I have no idea whether my old man had the same fortune as me."
Awww. Maybe this is another way they can bond both of them having more difficult family relationships though it might make them more tempestuous at times too.
Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-01-30 11:41 am (UTC)That's so true. That's why i like O'Brian because he uses so many subtle ways to tell you things. And thanks for all the compliments on the writing - and on Calavarna's behalf, too - I think this episode worked particularly well.
This is terrible, Jack is rubbing off on me. *disciplines self for becoming a tart*
You can admire all the seets on the menu as long as you only order one from the waiter!
What a lovely image to imagine. It reminds me vaguely of something in pc when pullings was so happy
I'm sure I had that at the back of my mind. It was a nice image - i could see it so clearly.
though it might make them more tempestuous at times too.
Very perceptive, missy. That's on the horizon.
Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-02-07 04:40 am (UTC)Absolutely. I find very few writers are able to capture this effectively. So well done the two of you for achieving this!
You can admire all the seets on the menu as long as you only order one from the waiter!
I like that. I'll use that in future. ;D
Very perceptive, missy. That's on the horizon.
So many delectible stories to choose from, eh? I do like these two a lot (not as much as archie and horatio but lee has something about him
and no, not just his gorgeous visage).Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-02-07 12:35 pm (UTC)And I hope you got that I meant all the sWeets on the menu!
Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-02-08 06:37 am (UTC)Oh yes, thank you! ANd that is a prerogative i do and will continue to exercise in my daily life. when i went for dessert with a friend about a week ago we spent aaaaaaaaaaaaages gazing at all the confections on offer ... so hard to decide ...
But deciding among the lovely guys is very hard too, though i suppose my first choice is still the kind, not as infatuated with horatio version of archie if he's still on offer though i'd rather have the archieinlovewithhoratio as a friend than the archienotaskeenonhoratio if i could only choose one i guess ...
who is at the top of your list currently? XD
Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-02-08 08:06 pm (UTC)Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-02-10 04:37 am (UTC)Now I've no quarrel with JW but this wouldn't affect your writing too much would it?!! just kidding. ;P And i'll hope the JW does very well on saturday ... am looking forward to hearing your review!!!
Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-01-31 10:56 am (UTC)both of them having more difficult family relationships though it might make them more tempestuous at times too.
This never occurred to me, but I think you're right. Their relationship was always going to be tempestuous but their mutual lack of a happy familial relationship could contribute to unseen scars surfacing. They're just a bit too similar in a way. (Good grief, I just finished school and am *still* analysing things to death...)
Re: varying shore II - Part I
Date: 2007-02-07 04:46 am (UTC)Awww. you're kind. I'm glad. I do try to be more organised and concise but then there's all that about the road to hell paved with good intentions ...
Besides, you mentioned Jack and Archie in almost the same sentence and I'd forgive anything for that :P
the two of them do form either ends of a continuum of loveliness, eh? I do like jack but i must admit recently, reading more of archie, i've really fallen for him again. But jack can sing ... and he does have a great smile ... *weighs* the jury's still out on that one.
They're just a bit too similar in a way. (Good grief, I just finished school and am *still* analysing things to death...)
Oh that's really interesting. I don't know much about adama - i was looking at his homesickness and separation and concern he may not get back to his own time. But i vaguely something about his not having a good relationship with his dad. I don't know what to think about aos!horatio's family - they're just not there ... his mom died when he was so young and then dad just seemed to disappear. Not necessarily a nefarious guy just absent, which perhaps made him long for family. I remember soemthing in lt h about his 'joy in knowing there was a human being who cared he was alive or dead' and so assumed he just didn't have any other family ... but maybe that does explain why he's so good with his kids (in the books) when he comes along b/c it's his way of making up for his family ... you know the guy is great fodder for a pyschological study since csf casts us into his mind so much. have to make use of it. *must think more on that* But yeah, i look forward to seeing the tempestuous-ness (yeah, that's a word ...).
varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-01-29 08:35 pm (UTC)Oh poor lee. And Jamie would do this so well. I think this ought to filmed some day too.
Horatio reached a hand out and then aborted the movement, hesitant to offer comfort lest it be rejected.
That’s good old horry. His characterization was very, gentle in all this. I know that sounds odd applied to him but in this context he seemed half-way between brides!horry and other!aos!horry.
“Don’t Horatio. You’ll burn yourself.” Adama saw the curiosity in Hornblower’s eyes and moved to retrieve the lighter before any damage was done.
Awww. Lee is so sweet being kind and parental. It’s interesting, he’s this big tough man, world-weary and knowledgeable about so many things (is he older than hh in this?) and so tries to be protective and gentle, softening so many things for this hh: trying to find ways to prove he wasn’t lying and that he is worthy of trust, and trying to lead/protect in a world where really he’s the one who needs the protection, etc, etc. It’s beautifully done. And it’s very endearing.
almost daring him to intervene, before flicking the lighter into flame. A stifled gasp of pain escaped his lips as he dropped the lighter to the floor and clutched at his wounded hand.
Stubborn (but grieving so he deserves some latitude).
and if nothing else his actions may have been a balm for the pain embedded in Horatio’s soul. He had made his feelings known, but whether reciprocation or rejection lay in Hornblower’s next words he couldn’t tell.
Just a beautifully crafted phrase. Had to comment. I had highlighted most of the story (thank goodness for the highlighting function) and realised you’d tire of: oh that’s so perfect. Beautifully written, etc, etc.
Archie always used to say it was the detail that was convincing in a story - anyone could make up a tale about flying among the clouds, but they would struggle to maintain the particulars of an alien world. Tell me the ordinary things.
archie always used to say. Aww.
In the end it was one seemingly simple detail that had finally convinced Hornblower - the fact that women served shoulder to shoulder with men, wore the same uniforms, flew the same machines … would have been so outlandish as to turn the normal practice of society upside down. As far as he was concerned this had to be the truth.
This tells us so much about hh’s character. I love how it was done and so completely the character as well.
Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-01-30 01:04 pm (UTC)When you're a fmaous lawyer, shopping at Waitrose every day, rolling in it - you can bankroll the production.
His characterization was very, gentle in all this
I think we felt sorry for him - no ship, no Archie, etc. *sobs*<
i>trying to find ways to prove he wasn’t lying and that he is worthy of trust, and trying to lead/protect in a world where really he’s the one who needs the protection, etc, etc. It’s beautifully done. And it’s very endearing.
Thank you. That's an interesting interpreation - yes, Lee is quite protective. Perhaps it's partly becuase he's such a contrast to Archoe who was always the one who was being looked after?
Just a beautifully crafted phrase. Had to comment.
Think that's one of Calavarna's. but really can't always tell who wrote what!
archie always used to say. Aww
Indeed. *hugs them all*
Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-02-07 04:55 am (UTC)awwww. No guarantee on the fame bit but if i ever get to that status (not really exalted is it? *giggle*) absolutely. it's a deal.
Re lawyers generally, i was vegging watching the evening news and they interviewed this young boy who lost everything except his family in hurricane katrina and he's 8 and still has nightmares about it and so on but is slowly healing. And they asked him what he 'wants to be when he grows up' and he said: a famous lawyer with money b/c then my mom and sister will never have to suffer like this again. And I thought it was so strange b/c who would think of the law at that sort of age like: be a famous lawyer and this can protect my family, rather than the normal sorts of things people like to be like an astronaut or a firefighter or policeman or doctor or something like that. BUt then i realised, i suppose for some people, they think of lawyers as people who can can vindicate rights and protect others and in a very circuitous way, it confirmed to me that it might not be such a bad profession after all (even with the bar and all that).
I think we felt sorry for him - no ship, no Archie, etc. *sobs*
I know. Poor guy. I really do feel for him ...
Lee is quite protective. Perhaps it's partly becuase he's such a contrast to Archoe who was always the one who was being looked after?
Oh i didn't think of that. that's a very good point. In all his manifestations, it's always hh who does the 'looking after' and is mother hen-ing tho if horatio was ill or something, i'll bet archie would be equally concerned and protective though it might manifest completely differently. that would be interesting to see ...
Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-02-07 12:39 pm (UTC)As for Archie looking after Horry - I suspect the latter would hate it, even flat on his back. I suppose I've explored it a bit in Bride's, but not in AOS so much.
Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-02-08 06:43 am (UTC)I do too - it might be one of the few rays of hope to emerge out of all this.
I have faith in you.
Thank you so much. I'll do my best to live up to your expectations.
I suspect the latter would hate it, even flat on his back. I suppose I've explored it a bit in Bride's, but not in AOS so much.
*nodding* I suppose he wouldn't want to be a burden to anyone though i expect in 1921 he behaved himself for hyacinth. She's in a class by herself and would have had no hesitation telling him to behave and stop trying to walk around
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Date: 2007-01-31 11:06 am (UTC)I think he's supposed to be in his early thirties in the show. And Horry is, what, 27 in Loyalty/Duty? So a bit older, infinitely more world weary and suffering from the genocide he has witnessed.
Stubborn (but grieving so he deserves some latitude)
I think I just wanted to inflict pain on H at that moment *hangs head*
Just a beautifully crafted phrase.
Thank you :D
Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-02-07 04:57 am (UTC)how was loyalty/duty? haven't had a chance to see those (and wasn't sure it would be worth it without archie) and what genocide is this? Did something really bad happen in france or something?!! I think i missed that ...
Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-02-07 12:40 pm (UTC)Re: varying shore II - Part ii
Date: 2007-02-08 06:44 am (UTC)*realises* Thanks. :D A little slow on the uptake sometimes.
varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-01-29 08:35 pm (UTC)*giggle* another perfectly wrought phrase. I have no restraint. It’s so true as well. *Awards hh prize*
Horatio cleared his throat loudly
Shades of book!horry. I remember his ‘ha-h’ming’ over and over again
A sudden, uncharacteristic flash of resentment flared in Lee’s eyes at the mention of mutiny and told Horatio far more than he needed to know. This was no ordinary officer; whether he had been a party in sedition himself or had been subjected to it Hornblower couldn’t deduce, but distress was evident along every sharp plane of Adama’s face.
And this tells us so much about lee; the depth of character and torment. Though it’s mean to JAMIE I do like when his characters have these hidden depths of conscience or contemplation. It adds so much.
He was gratified to find that Adama had picked up an awful lot of words on the vessel that had rescued him - including the names of the primary sails and ropes - and understood the general principles involved in a ship making its way by wind power alone.
He’d be a good student – clever guy just like the real JB.
Besides you wanted to pretend I was him. Maybe one more night with him, even just sleeping, is what you need."
I hope that hh will one day REALLY love him for him, not because he looks like ak, you know?
They had truly broken the mould when they made Archie Kennedy.
Indeed, in all his incarnations.
Horatio lay awake for a time, his thoughts racing, his hands clenched together.
Again, perfect characterization. He does this often (well when not with his true love AK)
Lee rolled his eyes, a blush colouring his cheeks. “They’ll have forgotten everything by the morning.”
Oh I like this about lee. It makes him most endearing, a little shy and then:
“And you, Horatio, were you impressed?” Lee curved his lips into a teasing smile.
He’s back to his playful self. Such a great character.
He was surprised that Hornblower could have spent almost ten years fighting at sea yet still suffered from sea sickness. At least his Viper training had given him a strong stomach; he felt perfectly fine, and had been from the moment he’d set foot on the ship.
Fortunate man. And yeah, I do wonder how they dealt with it in reality b/c I have the impression people don’t know if they’ll suffer or not until actually on a boat, like altitude sickness.
He was far from fine, Adama could tell by simply looking at him, and he was worried, but he would allow Horatio to maintain his pride.
Oh how sweet, now lee is worrying about him. What a pair
He could find no words, nor actions, with which he could properly express his gratitude for having been accepted by Hornblower. One day he would repay that debt.
Oh I love lee. He’s so amazing in this. And thank you so much for this!!! So good so good. Words aren’t adequate and never could be.
More later,
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Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-01-30 01:51 pm (UTC)Indeed - Calavarna knows her book!Horry well.
Though it’s mean to JAMIE I do like when his characters have these hidden depths of conscience or contemplation. It adds so much
And doesn't it illustrate what an excellent actor he is?
I hope that hh will one day REALLY love him for him, not because he looks like ak, you know?
Hm. But do we really think he could love anyone the way he loved his AK?
And yeah, I do wonder how they dealt with it in reality b/c I have the impression people don’t know if they’ll suffer or not until actually on a boat, like altitude sickness
Indeed - I think he was fortunate. I wonder if the low centre of gravity helps any?
Thanks for all the lovely comments - you are such a star. C says she will reply tomorrow.
Hugs
Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-01-31 10:39 am (UTC)Is 'knows well' code for 'wants to whack him in the head with an ice-pick?'
Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-01-31 12:40 pm (UTC)Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-02-07 05:02 am (UTC)Mmm. very fair point. I want him to be in something with jb2 now. *has a tantrum* alright, i wouldn't really have a tantrum but it would be soooooooooooo cool. Jamie must finish that silly BSG and come back to england.
Hm. But do we really think he could love anyone the way he loved his AK?
well that is a fair point. But archie's gone. i'm torn. In the brides!universe, i know i would have been disappointed, very disappointed in horatio if he had gone to someone else after archie but here i don't mind that he's with lee, which is completely illogical. I'll have to think about that more ... b/c what's good for the goose should be good for the gander (or is it sauce? i can never remember that one).
Thanks for all the lovely comments - you are such a star.
*hangs head in shame* but i was so terrible and slow in getting back to you. but you were a nice friend anyway.
I will catch up on the others tomorrow. xxx
Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-02-07 12:45 pm (UTC)But what? JB2 hasn't the nose for Holmes so they can't be H and Watson. JB1 could be Hamlet with JB2 as Horatio (like that idea). Ooooooh! They could be the chaps in Importance of Being Earnest. But none of these provide snogging chances. I guess they're a bit long in the tooth to re-do Rope.
Sauce for the goose. :)
Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-02-08 06:47 am (UTC)But with all the somewhat random combinations of holmes and watson, they wouldn't be so far off the mark but yeah ...
JB1 could be Hamlet with JB2 as Horatio (like that idea). Ooooooh!
I really like the idea of that. OH THAT WOULD BE SO GREAT b/c it's dear jamie's dream to do hamlet and with JB2 as his horatio. B/c then he'd have that sweet line: goodnight, sweet prince and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. Oh that would be magnificent.
They could be the chaps in Importance of Being Earnest.
Ohhhh. That might be really fun. Can JB1 sing? Rj was in a musical version of it in LA (he played jack i think, yeah, i think jack) and it's written for a lovely tenor voice!!!!
But none of these provide snogging chances. I guess they're a bit long in the tooth to re-do Rope.
Mmm. fair point. Is this the same Rope as the hitchcock rope? and was there snogging in that? *clearly missed that part*
More tomorrow (or rather, later today ;D)
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Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-02-08 08:42 pm (UTC)It is - it's the play that Scott went to see when he first saw John. It was a rather 'raunchy' production. You can find reviews for it by following the links from the JB2 website.
Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-01-31 11:38 am (UTC)And he does it so well - he's probably done it often enough that it is second nature to him now.
He’s back to his playful self. Such a great character.
Happy!Lee is just lovely. It's Jamie's smile that does it...
Thanks a lot for reading and commenting!
Re: varying shore II - part III
Date: 2007-02-07 04:58 am (UTC)Absolutely.
Thanks a lot for reading and commenting!
thank you for writing it!!! So nice to have something good to look forward to reading. :D